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May 19, 2021 23:34:38 GMT
Post by Hermit Crab on May 19, 2021 23:34:38 GMT
These are called "Large Social Games" because your social interactions with other players is an integral part of them. A good social game can make people like you or allow you to convince them to do what you want. How did you form and use the bonds you made with the other players?
This thread is for the Jury to ask questions about your social game and how it compares to your opponent.
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Eagle
Endangered
The Eagle silently judges you.
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May 21, 2021 1:04:19 GMT
Post by Eagle on May 21, 2021 1:04:19 GMT
A snap, a crackle, a pop - and suddenly a blue hologram of the Eagle stands before the trio.
"...oody useless equipment, Q needs to up his game..."
It suddenly looks up, and jumps back.
"Ah. Finally. I swear, all of the equipment MI7 provides is either useless or faulty."
It looks around itself and then lowers its voice.
"You have to get me out of here. They've put me in a Zoo. A Zoo. Me! Agent Fish, the Almighty Eagle, forced to act as entertainment for common gawkers. This is completely unacceptable."
"You have all been trained as agents during your time here. Tell me, each of you, what is your plan for freeing me from this hell?"
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May 21, 2021 1:24:12 GMT
Post by Capybara on May 21, 2021 1:24:12 GMT
The Capybara stares in disbelief
"Brave Eagle! Do you still have your tranquilizer gun? Perhaps when you see one of the humans up close you can use that and steal their key?"
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Rat
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May 21, 2021 3:02:39 GMT
Post by Rat on May 21, 2021 3:02:39 GMT
Before I delve into the details in your games in general, I have a few questions about the round I went out, because well yeah of course that's the round I care most about. Also in general with questions I want three things, details, examples and honesty, even if the honest answer is not something you think I want to hear. I hate trying to parse semi-vague statements without also having proper context so yeah. Anyway, onto the questions.
Cat: The round I went out I pitched to you about why I was a good keep and why you should vote out capy. The only message I received back was to the effect that you were leaning voting that way. I sent a message back saying just message me if you have any questions and received no more. My questions to you are, at what point did you decide to vote me out? Did you consider explaining to me that I was going? And lastly was that PM about leaning capy just lip service or your genuine thoughts at the time? If it was the latter why didn't you ask me anything else?
Kestrel: Your questions are similar. It seemed that round that you were fighting hard for me, yet I still went out 4-1. Why did you vote for me? When did you decide this? Also, the last thing I said to you was some uncertainty on where cat was and that "I guess we'll find out at deadline", but you must have known I was dead, why didn't you tell me that I was?
Capy: Your question isn't really similar, I knew you were voting for me. I knew why mostly. My main question is mostly, did you consider trying to argue why I should vote for someone other than you and believe it wouldn't take? Or did the thought not cross your mind? If you could just walk me through the round from your perspective that'd probably also be helpful.
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Kestrel
Animalia
I hate this challenge
Posts: 387
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May 21, 2021 3:15:20 GMT
Post by Kestrel on May 21, 2021 3:15:20 GMT
*waves at eagle*
*Realises it probably can't be seen*
*Lowers wing awkwardly. Coughs.*
"Anyway. It's just a hallucination drug they've given you. The real you isn't in a zoo - the indignity is unimaginable. Just hold on tight, it'll wear off soon!"
*Kestrel pauses*
"If it is true... remember your secret present? Hold tight to that a bit and I'll come get you really soon. There's a school party arriving next week - keep an eye out for the one with the triangle."
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Bunny
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Posts: 205
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May 21, 2021 3:22:21 GMT
Post by Bunny on May 21, 2021 3:22:21 GMT
Kestrel: Why should I vote for you when we had a deal where we'd take each other to the end and you broke that deal?
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May 21, 2021 3:23:18 GMT
Post by Capybara on May 21, 2021 3:23:18 GMT
Hey Rat thank you for the question. The only other person I would have considered voting for other than you was Eagle and he won immunity. When you told me you were voting me I wasn't upset or angry, I just didn't really feel like it mattered. I had confidence in my relationships with Eagle and Cat to keep me.
If Eagle hadn't won immunity that round and say Cat/Kestrel/me did, then my options would have been more open. To be honest though I don't know if I would have voted Eagle out there. We already knew someone was coming back from the Edge so I knew we would still have 2 chances to eliminate him if needed which didn't end up helping. I feel like you were the biggest threat to win at that point in the game. If you made it to the end you would get Terrestria support and I couldn't have that.
In one of our last PMs you told me that I only won a few challenges and to beat Eagle we would need to beat him twice. Kestrel won final 4 immunity beating Eagle and then I beat him in fire making so it did end up working out for me. I won't pretend that that wasn't horrifying, taking Eagle to final 4 was cutting it super close but we did get rid of him.
I hope that helps and if you need any further clarity please let me know!
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Kestrel
Animalia
I hate this challenge
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May 21, 2021 3:24:21 GMT
Post by Kestrel on May 21, 2021 3:24:21 GMT
Hi rat,
I'm sorry if you left feeling that way - I really thought I'd been clearer when I said it wasn't me you needed to convince, that I felt cat's opinions were stronger than you thought, that I'd be back at deadline just to check if anything changed, that there were some eliminations I definitely didn't make that effort for...in hindsight the words 'btw sorry but I can't keep you here with my one vote' weren't said, but I thought it was clearer what was happening. I guess I also assumed cat and eagle had been clearer with you, to give my comments some context. I know even I was surprised by how intransigent cat was with this vote, so I assumed they'd made their position clearer. I spoke to eagle about telling you and I genuinely thought I'd said enough, but I understand that I didn't. I hope this doesn't sound dismissive, I know tone is weird.
The vote was purely 'optics', which I know isn't nice for you but I was still concerned about being seen to work with the majority that round, especially as we didn't understand the edge twist. In my mind there was still the fairly strong possibility that someone like frog would return, eagle would win immunity and I'd be an obvious target, especially if I'd just thrown a protest vote on capy!
I'm so glad we got to talk again, those last few rounds.
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Kestrel
Animalia
I hate this challenge
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May 21, 2021 3:38:52 GMT
Post by Kestrel on May 21, 2021 3:38:52 GMT
Bunny,
Your vote was happening whether I liked it or not - capy had the double vote and I found out half an hour before deadline. This was compounded by lions claim of an idol - saying yes to a vote on you was one of the few options left.
At the time it felt a lot like the wrong decision for me and it did distance me from eagle - I think this is one of the reasons that If this plan existed more than 30 minutes before deadline, I genuinely didn't know - people knew how close we were, no matter how we'd tried to hide it.
However, you did worry me that round, I won't lie to you - you'd been hesitant to commit to discussing your f4 plans, even though I think we had a solid option, and I felt like I'd presented my thoughts to you and been told I was wrong.
I didn't plot your downfall, and I'm not sure what else the move was with lions idol claim to cement what capy/eagle/cat did that round. From their pov (well, honestly probably not eagle's) it was a resume defining move. The best we could've done was a tie, but that would've tied leaving me in a situation working straight away with lion, which I couldn't do just that second because of how little he'd just shown he respected me.
On a personal and I guess strategic level, I would appreciate your vote as someone who saw inside my head the most and who I was vulnerable with. We both knew the other had a plan and was using slightly unusual skills to get that plan into fruition.
Also, I wanted to keep lion in that round, on am emotional level - I cried writing his name down, now there's an embarrassing truth - and the response I got was to be told I was shit. Did that make me ruthless in the last 30 minutes? Probably, yes.
Sorry, this feels jumbled, let me know if you have follow up.
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Cat
Animalia
meow!!
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May 21, 2021 3:51:55 GMT
Post by Cat on May 21, 2021 3:51:55 GMT
"Agent Eagle!! I feel late to the rescue mission! Please be calm!! I have sent for backup. I have told some of my family members all about you and they are intrigued to meet you. Although they have never left the water, they are willing to use their..." the Cat trails off. "Ahem, special abilities, to free you. Worry not!! They shall be here soon!"
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Cat
Animalia
meow!!
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May 21, 2021 4:02:19 GMT
Post by Cat on May 21, 2021 4:02:19 GMT
Hi Rat, I do feel quite sorry about everything. You were a good friend to me and I enjoyed your company a lot. Towards the end, it felt like you weren't really that serious about R.E.C.K. and although I had suspicions you were close with your other Terra folk, it felt kind of like you were trying to be part of two different groups that had vastly different outlooks. I decided to vote you way before that vote actually ever happened. Eagle, Kestrel, and I even created an E.C.K. group because it was unclear how committed you were to our original alliance. I wanted to go to the end with Kestrel and Capybara and that meant that you had to go. Previously I had weighed a you, me, Kestrel FTC (it seemed a bit impossible given what everyone was saying about Capybara that my dream could really come true), but when it seemed like I could be with Capybara at the end, I had to go for it.
I am sorry I did not explain to you that I was going to vote you out. That was not fair to you. When I was complaining to you about how hostile it had gotten with Lion and Bunny's comments, you comforted me while Capybara told me you made a snippy comment about how they had wasted their double vote. I just didn't know how genuine you were being, but I owed it to you to tell you and for the I am sincerely sorry.
In the past, I have found it extremely uncomfortable to talk to people I am voting out. I knew there was a chance you could come back and I think I just couldn't deal with it.
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Rat
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May 21, 2021 6:27:02 GMT
Post by Rat on May 21, 2021 6:27:02 GMT
Okay, follow-up question to Cat, but would also love commentary from Kestrel as well since it concerns them as well.
So where did this notion that I wasn't serious about R.E.C.K come from. Was it when I didn't want to vote Lion a specific round, but said I'd be down the next one when asked (cause I was), resurrected a chat that hadn't been used in a week and targeted one of the other people not in that group? Like did I say something the wrong way? Was I just too vague in my intentions? And since you did have those concerns, why not, ask me about that? Like, if you are worried I'm not in it for the long haul and I have to actually vote Lion/Bunny to prove it to you, well, you have an answer right there no? Cause, while yeah, I would have preferred if the final 6 was R.E.C.K and Terrestria, if I was asked to choose I would have chosen y'all.
Also, I've heard a lot about this snippy comment to Capy which, was literally me being surprised he had ANOTHER double vote, saying it was a nice move, but also being unsure whether it was their best move, cause that was my read on the situation. I will admit I could have phrased it better (cause I was just majorly blindsided the round before by my allies), especially with it not being wholly praise or condemnation, but why didn't you ask me about it? Like this was later, but when Eagle mentioned your interaction about your views on Bunny, and I felt they might not be characteristic of you, I asked you about those comments, so I don't think it's unfair to ask why such a courtesy just...wasn't afforded to me on either count. Did I miss someone trying to do this?
For the record your other points on really wanting to go to the end with Cappy over me are well taken and I do get that.
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Kestrel
Animalia
I hate this challenge
Posts: 387
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May 21, 2021 6:51:08 GMT
Post by Kestrel on May 21, 2021 6:51:08 GMT
I think we did talk about this - I asked you what your intentions were and I believed you. I told you I was in two minds about the vote and I also thanked you for not lecturing me - and thank you again that you never did. I feel like we had a good chat about bunny as well? I was always more comfy with a you/me/cat endgame - I mentioned above that I really enjoyed reconnecting with you, and I think our conversation about this not having to be the be all and end all of every day was useful: I know you and eagle talked about activity differently, but I always understood.
Cats determination to endgame with capy was just a bit surprising to me.
I do wonder as well whether my upset at lion and the fact I was a bit frustrated at bunny at this point led into how cat felt we were all written off as goats, as they've mentioned, and whether this played into some of their decisions. For me you never did contribute to this feeling.
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May 21, 2021 8:16:36 GMT
Post by Three-toed Sloth on May 21, 2021 8:16:36 GMT
Hello everyone, long time no see! I will say that all three of you have a chance of getting my vote, and I've written nobody off.
Capybara: I appreciate your use of the double vote to eliminate Hedgehog and think that was a nice move! However, in the social aspect of the game, I think you're the weakest member of this final three. Do you agree with that, or do you believe that I'm wrong? If so, please convince me of that.
Cat: Just for the record, I meant it when I said I was with you, but considering we'd just voted out Seal and you were sketched out by Snowy I totally get you siding against me in the end. No hard feelings there. I think you played a very strong social game - it really hit me when I saw some people talking on the edge about them being afraid of bringing something up to you because you wouldn't like it, which is pretty telling! Also impressive is that you did it while winning absolutely no advantages or challenges. My question is this: the RECK alliance was clearly very strong, but what decisions did you make to really impact the direction of the game vs going along with others? What moves do you claim as your own?
Kestrel: I didn't talk to you for very long, but I also feel you played a great social game. You were the information hub of the game, and were a necessary part of so many votes. Your status of underdog is worthy of mention as well for the reasons you stated in your opener. My question to you is the same as my question for Cat: Where did you really take charge and decide who's going vs accepting another person's plan?
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May 21, 2021 10:24:36 GMT
Post by Capybara on May 21, 2021 10:24:36 GMT
Sloth! So I do think socially I'm probably not as strong as Kestrel or Cat but I don't think my social game was necessarily abysmal. I received more votes than a lot of the players that made the merge and yet I still survived. I also knew who was going home each tribal I attended minus the one that you idoled out Moth. I didn't have a giant alliance but I had some fairly solid individual relationships that helped me further my game (Frog, Eagle, Cat, etc).
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