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May 21, 2021 10:34:33 GMT
Post by Leopard Seal on May 21, 2021 10:34:33 GMT
Kestrel, quick question on something from your speech, mainly this paragraph: "Voting seal with his potential advantaged was a really good way to solidify things with cat and remove someone who although I liked, clearly didn't trust me. By this point I knew they'd seen the idol hunt map be taken, although they didn't address it with me. Although there was a lot of noise this round (secret plurality plans! Did bunny say names?! etc ) I did at the end of the round what I wanted at the start."
Could you talk me through what you're saying here about my vote. What advantage did you think I had? And what do you mean about seeing the idol hunt map being taken?
I'm very confused by this whole paragraph, are you talking about me? Also, why did you want from the start of this round to take me out?
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May 21, 2021 10:56:22 GMT
Post by Leopard Seal on May 21, 2021 10:56:22 GMT
CAT AND CAPY Wish I could be there with you, I thank you both for your loyalty on that merge vote, I will say upfront that I'm not a player who votes based on loyalty and alliances, I vote based on who I think played the best game. But thanks anyway!
Right, so onto the question: Right after I was voted out what happened? Was there any backlash because you voted with me and voted against the tribe as a whole? And if so, how did you navigate this?
KESTREL I know that you wasn't online when I made my last hope message, being honest, if you had seen it, would you have gone along with it and why? (Again, I'm not voting on loyalty here so if your honest answer is to keep voting how you were voting then that's fine)
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May 21, 2021 11:18:46 GMT
Post by Capybara on May 21, 2021 11:18:46 GMT
Leo <3
After you were voted out I felt like I was down a number which isn't a good feeling but to be honest I don't think it was the worst thing for me. I knew you were closer to Cat than I was at that point so you being voted out made me feel like I could build a stronger relationship with Cat. Right after that too we split into the two mini tribes and I used that opportunity to start to break up the Terrestria block by taking out Hedge and strengthening my relationship with Eagle.
I feel like if I did face any backlash it was overshadowed by that move on Hedge. Lion said that he was fine with it but he no doubt wasn't and I think that just made the target on mine and Frog's back bigger. As a result I think Frog/me were someone that Terrestria were trying to get people to rally around voting out and fortunately Frog's target was just a little bit bigger and I outlasted the heat from that.
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May 21, 2021 14:44:15 GMT
Post by Cat on May 21, 2021 14:44:15 GMT
Okay, follow-up question to Cat, but would also love commentary from Kestrel as well since it concerns them as well. So where did this notion that I wasn't serious about R.E.C.K come from. Was it when I didn't want to vote Lion a specific round, but said I'd be down the next one when asked (cause I was), resurrected a chat that hadn't been used in a week and targeted one of the other people not in that group? Like did I say something the wrong way? Was I just too vague in my intentions? And since you did have those concerns, why not, ask me about that? Like, if you are worried I'm not in it for the long haul and I have to actually vote Lion/Bunny to prove it to you, well, you have an answer right there no? Cause, while yeah, I would have preferred if the final 6 was R.E.C.K and Terrestria, if I was asked to choose I would have chosen y'all. Also, I've heard a lot about this snippy comment to Capy which, was literally me being surprised he had ANOTHER double vote, saying it was a nice move, but also being unsure whether it was their best move, cause that was my read on the situation. I will admit I could have phrased it better (cause I was just majorly blindsided the round before by my allies), especially with it not being wholly praise or condemnation, but why didn't you ask me about it? Like this was later, but when Eagle mentioned your interaction about your views on Bunny, and I felt they might not be characteristic of you, I asked you about those comments, so I don't think it's unfair to ask why such a courtesy just...wasn't afforded to me on either count. Did I miss someone trying to do this? For the record your other points on really wanting to go to the end with Cappy over me are well taken and I do get that. I know I should've been more vocal to you about R.E.C.K. but I just had the impression that you were really close to Lion and Bunny. I think there was almost no situation where I would've voted Capybara out and I guess I thought the same could be said of your relationship with Bunny/Lion. It also seemed like the 3 of you shared more of a vision than me/Eagle/Capybara and it felt like an us vs them situation. I also think that because I already knew that I didn't want to sit next to you, I wasn't that keen on working this through with you. As a random aside, a lot of stuff was going on in my personal life where I couldn't devote a lot of time to the game. Unfortunately that meant not having these conversations with you since I knew I wasn't interested in the long run with you. Yeah I think there wasn't a malicious intent with this comment. It just happened after a long string of other hostile interactions. I'm really sorry again that I did not extend that kind of courtesy to you. I was really hurt by Lion's actions and the length he was willing to go to save himself and I knew we saw what happened with Lion in a different way. I do regret how I handled your leaving and I wish I had given you the kindness that you gave me.
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Post by Cat on May 21, 2021 14:52:54 GMT
Cat: Just for the record, I meant it when I said I was with you, but considering we'd just voted out Seal and you were sketched out by Snowy I totally get you siding against me in the end. No hard feelings there. I think you played a very strong social game - it really hit me when I saw some people talking on the edge about them being afraid of bringing something up to you because you wouldn't like it, which is pretty telling! Also impressive is that you did it while winning absolutely no advantages or challenges. My question is this: the RECK alliance was clearly very strong, but what decisions did you make to really impact the direction of the game vs going along with others? What moves do you claim as your own? Hi Sloth! I did not think you were not being sincere but I think there wasn't a straightforward way to go on with you. In that round you left, we would've had to go to rocks and I wasn't willing to do that. Bunny did approach me to say that they would vote however I wanted but I'm not sure if Bunny would've been willing to vote Kestrel there either. There are some small things that I think really saved me in the end. In the round Snowy Owl was set to leave, they created a group chat with Capybara, Butterfly, and me to say that we should vote Bunny out. I went straight to Bunny to say that I wasn't interested in voting them out and that I wanted to get ahead of the inevitable gossip. When Owl later approached Bunny to vote me out (in a big twist!), Bunny didn't go for it and I think these types of interactions helped build at least a facade that we could work together in some capacity. I don't really think anyone wanted Capybara to be at the end, at least this is what I was told over and over again by people leaving. I think if I had wanted to, I could've worked with Kestrel/Owl or Kestrel/Rat to vote out Capybara. Kestrel also mentioned that the vote against Bunny was "resume defining" which I don't super agree with. I was confident in the way I voted and the relationships I built that it would have always been inevitable for Bunny/Frog/Butterfly/Owl/Rat to have gone home.
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May 21, 2021 14:59:04 GMT
Post by Cat on May 21, 2021 14:59:04 GMT
CAT AND CAPY Wish I could be there with you, I thank you both for your loyalty on that merge vote, I will say upfront that I'm not a player who votes based on loyalty and alliances, I vote based on who I think played the best game. But thanks anyway! Right, so onto the question: Right after I was voted out what happened? Was there any backlash because you voted with me and voted against the tribe as a whole? And if so, how did you navigate this? Hello Leo!!!!! <3 I wish you could be here too and I am saddened that your departure was so early on. There was intense backlash right after this happened. Hedgehog berated me for believing in your "conspiracy theory" about that group of 5. I apologized to Butterfly profusely after this happened but from that moment onwards, I knew that Hedgehog and Butterfly were two people I could not work with ever. I had enough other friends and relationships to tide this over to carry out my agenda. Despite voting against the majority, I made sure to pinpoint the interests I had in common. Like when I wanted to vote Frog out, I knew I could approach Lion and Bunny. I knew Eagle also had a good relationship with Capybara so that's something I utilized as well. With the 3 of us basically aligned moving forward, it didn't really matter what anyone else thought since we had the numbers.
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May 21, 2021 17:02:18 GMT
Post by Snowy Owl on May 21, 2021 17:02:18 GMT
There are some small things that I think really saved me in the end. In the round Snowy Owl was set to leave, they created a group chat with Capybara, Butterfly, and me to say that we should vote Bunny out. I went straight to Bunny to say that I wasn't interested in voting them out and that I wanted to get ahead of the inevitable gossip. When Owl later approached Bunny to vote me out (in a big twist!), Bunny didn't go for it and I think these types of interactions helped build at least a facade that we could work together in some capacity. This should be clarified that I was already on the block with Butterfly before I attempted to do anything. I wasn't going around trying to pit people against each other like this post suggests. I was simply trying to get anyone to work with me but the moto of this game was "sit on your hands and do nothing."
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May 21, 2021 18:35:27 GMT
Post by Cat on May 21, 2021 18:35:27 GMT
Hey Owl,
I know you were already on the block at that point and I was really trying to save you. It seemed that people were unwilling to vote for anyone other than Butterfly and I appreciated your effort to try to vote for someone else. I know Butterfly was your friend and you weren't willing to vote against them until the end.
I knew that word would get back to Bunny about this group chat though and I wanted to avoid the situation that happened with Hedgehog. I was not really prepared for you to try to rally people against me though. My vote had seriously remained on Butterfly until 10 minutes before TC that round.
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Post by Kestrel on May 21, 2021 19:01:01 GMT
Hello everyone, long time no see! I will say that all three of you have a chance of getting my vote, and I've written nobody off. Capybara: I appreciate your use of the double vote to eliminate Hedgehog and think that was a nice move! However, in the social aspect of the game, I think you're the weakest member of this final three. Do you agree with that, or do you believe that I'm wrong? If so, please convince me of that. Cat: Just for the record, I meant it when I said I was with you, but considering we'd just voted out Seal and you were sketched out by Snowy I totally get you siding against me in the end. No hard feelings there. I think you played a very strong social game - it really hit me when I saw some people talking on the edge about them being afraid of bringing something up to you because you wouldn't like it, which is pretty telling! Also impressive is that you did it while winning absolutely no advantages or challenges. My question is this: the RECK alliance was clearly very strong, but what decisions did you make to really impact the direction of the game vs going along with others? What moves do you claim as your own? Kestrel: I didn't talk to you for very long, but I also feel you played a great social game. You were the information hub of the game, and were a necessary part of so many votes. Your status of underdog is worthy of mention as well for the reasons you stated in your opener. My question to you is the same as my question for Cat: Where did you really take charge and decide who's going vs accepting another person's plan? I said in my torch walk that I really enjoyed talking to you - if the tribe make up has been different I would've been interested in what we could do! Thank you for that comment - the information hub - as this is definitely where I feel I stand out from my lovely finalists I don't think I was an underdog though, as I hope people genuinely invested in the relationships with me. In terms of being in charge, my answer is three fold: I wasn't the vote on Mamalia. On paper, I should've been. I took control of my relationships so that not only did I survive that tribe, the person I was least connected to didn't. In the middle of merge, I made it clear that the next votes I wanted were snowy, butterfly and frog. The order didn't matter hugely, and what I wanted happened. Because I held information, it also meant that I could have the right conversations at the right times to plan votes that made sense for me. Being in the position of people knowing I was happy to vote X or y, meant that vote z was never on the table - reck never got threatened, frog tells me I'm the reason they couldn't get a bunny vote themselves... Every vote, even the two I couldn't have a huge impact on (bunny and rat), were still votes that left me in a better position - I don't feel that cat can claim that, as she lost allies and needed to rely on weaker connections For example, it didn't hugely matter if capy or leopard went first:
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May 21, 2021 19:06:24 GMT
Post by Kestrel on May 21, 2021 19:06:24 GMT
Also, I just want to point out that votes don't happen by luck, as snowy seems to be indicting. Especially not for two people (me and cat) that are that bad at challenges, and when I went to so many TCS.
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May 21, 2021 19:14:54 GMT
Post by Snowy Owl on May 21, 2021 19:14:54 GMT
They certainly don't seem to be happening with much logical thought either.
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May 21, 2021 20:33:52 GMT
Post by Kestrel on May 21, 2021 20:33:52 GMT
Kestrel, quick question on something from your speech, mainly this paragraph: "Voting seal with his potential advantaged was a really good way to solidify things with cat and remove someone who although I liked, clearly didn't trust me. By this point I knew they'd seen the idol hunt map be taken, although they didn't address it with me. Although there was a lot of noise this round (secret plurality plans! Did bunny say names?! etc ) I did at the end of the round what I wanted at the start." Could you talk me through what you're saying here about my vote. What advantage did you think I had? And what do you mean about seeing the idol hunt map being taken? I'm very confused by this whole paragraph, are you talking about me? Also, why did you want from the start of this round to take me out? Yes: by this point a few people had told me that you'd been on the square where the idol was and hadn't got it - and the rules said you would've been informed of this. As I was pretty certain that that married with where the idol was, I found it really odd that you didn't share this info from like day one? Not just with me, but with anyone! I knew you had a lot of acorns (If any of this isn't true, blame frog?) I was a bit surprised to be finding this all second hand and it made me doubt our working relationship. Plus, you weren't here the first day or so of merge and hadn't been the most active in carnivora. When people were discussing this vote, the counter to you was snowy - and at that point it was early enough I merge that I thought me and them might be able to work together. Therefore, you became an obvious choice. You were also one of cats closest friends, and not only did I want them to have less choices, it was also really clear that there were stronger 'tribal' or 'conspiracy" groups around than aeria, who never really felt like a group after the first swap (more two pairs), therefore a vote that weakened aquatica while allowing me to shore up relationships with people like bunny, lion, hedgehog felt like the correct move.
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May 21, 2021 20:37:27 GMT
Post by Kestrel on May 21, 2021 20:37:27 GMT
CAT AND CAPY Wish I could be there with you, I thank you both for your loyalty on that merge vote, I will say upfront that I'm not a player who votes based on loyalty and alliances, I vote based on who I think played the best game. But thanks anyway! Right, so onto the question: Right after I was voted out what happened? Was there any backlash because you voted with me and voted against the tribe as a whole? And if so, how did you navigate this? KESTREL I know that you wasn't online when I made my last hope message, being honest, if you had seen it, would you have gone along with it and why? (Again, I'm not voting on loyalty here so if your honest answer is to keep voting how you were voting then that's fine) At the time, I doubted how true it was - it felt desperate. I was also a bit weirded out by the logic of 'its terra - sloth + butterfly, so instead of going after a bigger name, let's...vote aeria, probably the weaker group, by voting butterfly'. But it did make me wary, and I realised not much later that you were right (I do wonder what targeting a 'bigger' name there would've done, though!) But at the time it wouldn't have changed anything, for reasons discussed.
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May 22, 2021 0:10:17 GMT
Post by Frog on May 22, 2021 0:10:17 GMT
I think since now that of you managed to take on the villain role I wanted to vote for to win this (although my expectations after my exit were that only Eagle actually had a chance of that, so I shouldn't really be surprised), I will have to try to again with trying to work out how to actually split you apart in some manner.
Krestel I mentioned to you at some point that your game was really similar to Cats. I believe this still holds true with both of you playing UTR games and being aware of where every vote was heading, and probably every opinion held by everyone else. You also mentioned to me at the start of merge that I was your favourite person out of people you were meeting for the first time. Did this statement hold true and give us an actual potential to work together, or was your plan all along to take out all of you were meeting for the first time asap?
Cat, you did well in managing to retain my trust despite refusing multiple times to actually solidify our relationship into something better than mutual respect. Was I always a eventual disposable number to you? I know you've mentioned you considered me a big threat in your speech, but as I was actually completely reliant on what turned out to be the F4 to potentially have my back there, I am not actually convinced that this was the reasoning you were getting rid of me.
Capybara, I don't think I have anything for you here, as while you might have managed to have the largest amount of messages in my inbox, I did not feel any actual social connection with you, but aligned out of strategy purposes given the minority we found ourselves in after the first swap. You need to somehow convince me you did actually have social connections with others and that I have in fact underestimated your ability, which I presumably have given you're sitting there at FTC. Right now all I can point to you is structural with how you dealt with those double votes you obtained.
and generalisered question for everyone. Did you exploit anybody else's social weaknesses or mistakes?
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May 22, 2021 0:27:12 GMT
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Post by Leopard Seal on May 22, 2021 0:27:12 GMT
Thank you to all of those answers! For all 3 of you I have a few generic questions and then I'll probably not ask anything else: 1) Make me a meme of your most defining moment in the game 2) Name a moment or a conversation that has sparked the most joy in this game 3) What was your favourite challenge in this game? What was the most fun to do? 4) What was your lowest point in this game? 5) If this was a final 2 and you were on the Jury, who would you vote for between the 2 others and why? (Keep in mind I hate fake praise "This person was less shit")
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