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Post by Rat on May 7, 2021 21:43:45 GMT
Ugh, Me, Lion and Bunny are solidly on Capy but Kes and Eagle are being oh so conflicted. If they don't vote Capy here, I'm going to just take Capy to the end. Be the change you want to be in the world.
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Post by Rat on May 7, 2021 22:17:37 GMT
I feel like I'm talking myself into going at 6, very happy I have this immunity thing here.
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Post by Rat on May 7, 2021 23:25:05 GMT
If Capy goes I picked the right path. If Capy stays I need to 180. Just need to make sure I don't do something dumb over a bruised ego.
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Post by Rat on May 8, 2021 1:34:11 GMT
Well. I slept a lot and I missed, that choice?
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Post by Rat on May 8, 2021 1:47:25 GMT
The only logic I can see is Eagle thinks Lion and I are bigger threats and that move was to ensure we both go home before he does. Otherwise the logic baffles me cause that means he both wants the issues of Lion surviving and Capy surviving?
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Post by Rat on May 8, 2021 1:58:30 GMT
Man I was so hype this morning when F7 was going to be both my group chats. Now I have to think through what to do now. I think the answer is "fuck it, target eagle, but that's easier said than done."
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Post by Rat on May 8, 2021 2:05:07 GMT
From Eagle: The Eagle sighs, and takes a moment to breathe."I am planning to sleep soon, but I will try to give the brief version." "The Capybara told me of his second double vote, and gifted it to me. I know at that point the sensible play is probably simply to vote him out and keep it, but... that just felt so scummy. It swung me a significant amount toward voting the Lion, but I could not really mention that this was the reason why, so I was trying to come up with other reasons. Going into F6 with people knowing I held a double vote felt as though it would be suicide." "The Kestrel was leaning toward voting the Lion as well, so I was probably going to vote there on the back of that. But when I messaged you about it all and the Lion then messaged me about it all, it got me thinking that he might idol. And it got everyone else thinking that he might idol also." "The Bunny vote... I was never all that close to the Bunny, and they seemed to be a shoe-in for FTC. It felt like choosing between the Lion and Capybara, there were significant disadvantages on both sides, but the Bunny going had many of the same upsides that the Lion going had, without the obvious downsides of the Lion not being here anymore. When it was brought up, I felt that that was a better option for me personally than either of the other two, even if it took the double vote to do." "And that is the very short version. I can give a longer version when I return. I know you were quite close to the Bunny, and I apologize for this, but I think it was what was best for my game." Also Lion upset Kestrel so this was probably one of the worst naps of all time. Sleep is bad everyone, tell your friends.
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Post by Rat on May 8, 2021 2:19:54 GMT
Anyway in PMs I want to send to Eagle but need to fucking wait on:
"Okay, so instead of explaining your situation so to the two people that I assume you've been pretty close with the entire time, you decided instead to lie to them about what was going on so no advice would actually make any sense and make a unilateral move to vote out Bunny that was, in my opinion, that both has the problem of Lion being an endgame threat one step closer, Capybara taking up a slot at the end, all the while becoming the lynchpin of a SECOND vote that kind of makes it clear to anyone watching that instead you're probably a bigger threat than anyone on resume all while, and I can't stress this enough, alienating two people who have been close to you and thus possibly losing both their allegiance and likelihood of their jury votes. That was the best move for your game."
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Post by Rat on May 8, 2021 2:30:36 GMT
Also just my general mindset right now.
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Post by Rat on May 8, 2021 3:32:32 GMT
I have a video confessional is coming up. Two things not mentioned in it are:
Wow, Bunny is...gone. That...kind of sucks, I enjoyed talking to Bunny and working with them.
Also, apparently Lion got a message from Sloth in their confessional, so...IS EDGE OF EXTINCTION A THING? IS IT REALLY HAPPENING? WHY AM I SO HAPPY ABOUT THIS?
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Post by Rat on May 8, 2021 3:39:02 GMT
Here it is. I normally don't do video confessionals but tonight was special.
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Post by Rat on May 9, 2021 0:48:47 GMT
And Eagle was concerned about my activity level and Terrestria. Which, fair...but also, just talk to me dude. By assuming I must be working with Terrestria he's actually created a self fulfilling prophecy of having me against him. At least now I have a good reason to challenge him if he's around at F4. Also, God, if I make it to FTC now the Urbosa arguments are going to apply, kill me plz.
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Post by Rat on May 9, 2021 1:01:53 GMT
Will share the exchange since I'm probably doing something wrong. "Okay, so clarify a few things for me. First, why if Lion is idoling is that going to land on you? Like, Lion has usually been pretty set on where they were voting and certainly didn't have me on side, they'd probably just idol out Capy and not focus on you, while hoping you ended up on their side. Which, isn't that bad. I also don't get why you think that if you told me about the vote that would make me want to target you? Cause if you explain your vote to me, and vote with me and Kestrel, you can still use it the next round and have a majority at 6, where the vote has more power. Also, I just, kind of wish you told me, cause I get not wanting to vote out Capy with a gift, but by lying I can't give you anything that's going to actually matter, and that kind of just makes me feel bad, like, do you not trust me to think in your best interest?" "Also, like, now we have both of the issues of Lion and Capy being alive, since one of them will be there at F5. Like, I'm not seeing where this is 100% best move for your game, it feels more like you hot potato'd an item because you panicked in the moment, which is fine, but like, just say that please? Cause if it was 100% you just thinking about game then, I have to ask, what was this setting up? Like how is your position better now than it was before? Where do I fit into all this?" "I guess I'm just confused about how you feel about me in all this, right? Like...why didn't you talk to me?" The Eagle ruffles its feathers, and sighs."I will answer these questions. But the most important one is the last, and it has a simple answer. Your activity has fallen off a cliff since the merge. I do not know where your head is at, to the point that going into the Tribal Council, I was expecting you to be pushing for the Lion's elimination, because pretty much the only thing we'd discussed strategywise was the fact that you wanted him gone." "When you said you were not voting him because of the way immunity went down, that seemed fair, but that wasn't really enough of a factor for me to base that decision on, so I informed you I'd still consider both. Then when I tried to talk about my thoughts with you, the Lion and the Bunny both almost immediately lobbied me hard, bringing up all of the exact points I'd mentioned. I was trying not to draw attention, so hadn't mentioned I was on the fence to either of these players. I wanted to make a group decision with yourself and the Kestrel and then talk to the players who were locked in, because then I would know who I was doing damage control with and who I was voting with." "Having the entirety of Terrestria suddenly lobbying me - look at how that looks. The only reason I was comfortable with three Terrestria being in the game was because I thought you were going after the Lion. The only reason I was comfortable with the Bunny being a lock for endgame in literally everyones' plans was because I felt that the Bunny's main allies - the Lion, yourself, and the Kestrel - were also close enough to me that they would not allow me to be targeted. But suddenly the Lion knew I was lying to him about being sure of my vote, and I had no clue where your head was at with regard to the rest of the game." It pauses."If I had told you I wanted to target the Bunny, it felt like there was a chance that exactly the same thing would happen. The Bunny would know I was targeting them, the Lion would also know I was targeting the Bunny, and if there was an idol in that group, there is a high chance it would have been played on the Bunny. I don't blame you for this, you were very close to them both, and it is fair not to want them to go. But from my perspective, is it a good idea to do that?" "It did not matter that it would not be me being idolled out; a trio would make it to Final Six. And two of that trio would know I tried to target them." The Eagle sighs."I do not know where your head is at. Perhaps you were looking to turn on the Lion at the next vote regardless, but then why pass what I was saying to him?" The Rat sighs back "Okay, so this is a lot. You raise a few concerns that are valid. Yes, my activity dropped off at merge. It did for everyone, I am easily socially drained (much more than I used to be) and this is a long game, sending messages is hard even when I like the person. I also get how you'd have an issue with there being 3 terrestria at 6. For the record, I didn't leak anything about your position until you sudden about face because it was a sketchy af reasoning and I frankly didn't want to parse everything about it, and with you being the key vote, I figured that maybe the best person to advocate for why to keep Lion would be Lion themself, especially when whatever I was doing clearly seemed to be getting such an odd response. If I had known you wanted it to just be you, me, Kes on that, I probably wouldn't have, but you didn't say that until after everything, and it was late in the phase. Like, did you ever think to consider that maybe I could tell that you were suddenly acting weird and making arguments that didn't make sense and that yeah, I wouldn't just be quiet about that?" "Also dude, just talk to me. If you are worried about 3 Terrestria, then tell me that's a concern, tell me that you'd feel worried if Lion, Bunny and Me are still around at Six. If you are worried about my activity, fucking tell me, so I can at least explain myself instead of wildly speculating. Like if I was some other random Tom, Dick or Harry, I'd get it, but I was your top ally dude. You think I'd just forget about you literally giving me immunity, or how about me keeping on pushing the alliance that has both of us in it, or how about me voting out Sloth, a Terrestria, or how about how you were the only person I told about the item I got RIGHT WHEN I GOT IT. Like, you had concerns, that's fair, so tell me about them. Like, I feel there's a mounting pile of evidence for why I wouldn't just try to turn on you, not to mention, with that extra vote, you could just fend us off even if you were concerned about it." "I am sorry for logging off though, quite a bit of things probably could have been solved with at the very least a quick message explaining I was going away, or by fighting sleep and staying up, but we still find outselves in all this." "I also don't know where my head is at to be fair, cause my entire game view was just shattered. So I'm kind of taking a moment." The Eagle looks down and shakes its head."I should probably take a breather and reply later. I am in an angry frame of mind right now, and it really does not help with my phrasing. But I can stay and talk over this now, if you would prefer that, you will just have to be prepared for... bluntness, I guess." "I mean I prefer bluntness over silence to be honest. I'll keep your state of mind, well in mind. I feel neither of us might be able to give the proper nuance but if not now, when? We're already at tribal" So about those angry PMs y'all mentioned. Looks like I get to be the recepient of them. Wasn't expecting them from Eagle tbh, but hey, guess I was due.
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Post by Rat on May 9, 2021 1:40:20 GMT
Nevermind unless I botch the response The Eagle sighs."I was going to quote my confessional at you, but I don't think that helps. At that point it is just anger manifesting itself as something that causes more anger." "I probably should have raised the inactivity with you sooner. Communication over it maybe would have helped. But I feel as though my entire postmerge has been trying to walk on eggshells with everyone, and I hate that. I am not used to it." It kicks a pile of leaves."I function in a very specific way. I find my number one, and then I tell them everything, talk through everything with them, and work with them on everything. I bounce ideas off that person to the point that I am confessionalising twice, once in my confessional and then again in the chat. Then I do something idiotic and get myself eliminated, but I can be okay with that because I can watch the person I bonded with succeed where I failed. Sometimes, anyway. Whatever the case, I always die before them. I am never alone." "This game, it felt like my number one died. I couldn't bounce everything off you, because you just... weren't there. And maybe that was in part because I pulled back too when I felt like you weren't talking anymore. If I'd addressed it, maybe it would have been different." "I went into full turtle mode after that. And, I guess full selfish mode too. I've been trying to keep my head down and a target off'f my back by agreeing with what everyone says, until it's absolutely necessary to tell them something else. I've been acting based on what is best for my game, after bouncing my strategic thoughts off'f... myself. And, I mean, it has gotten me further than I have ever gotten before, so perhaps it was the correct way to play." "I hate it." "I've been blaming you for it in my confessional constantly. But now that I have to write that to you, I know I'm far, far more to blame than you are. And I hate that too."
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Post by Rat on May 9, 2021 2:18:27 GMT
Update from my end, please kill me: The Rat hugs the Eagle "There is still much to blame for myself, for there are definitely pieces of me I've been trying to fix that I seen in this narrative. While I do think that yes, we should have talked about my activity earlier, I feel dissapointed in myself" "I do operate quite like you, I find an ally, I talk to them, I bounce ideas off of them, I give them my thoughts and try to find a path forward. However, at some point, not just with them but in the game in general, I become complacent and expect my partners to be psychic. Like once we had the plan for the end game, I for no good reasons assumed you saw the path I did, which was quite similar to what happened up until last round. This in turn causes them to assume things have changed when...they haven't, and thus, I am betrayed. Sometimes I die, sometimes I don't, but it always ends the same. With me disappointed over what could have been. Like, sure I got more drained, but I should have been less complacent with you at least." "I was really hoping this would be the one where nothing of the sort would happen. I wanted to go to the end with my friends and fight for them. I wanted to fight you for the win. Though strangely, I think my ideal would have been being forced to make fire against you, so that whoever one could spread their wings to the fullest and not have to worry about a vote split causing trouble." "As for eggshells, I don't think you have to do that completely, you just need someone to temper you a little. People are at their best when they have a partner and we are no different." The Rat Bows its Head "I think my main issue is, even with us (hopefully) patching this up, I'm not sure how I can justify continuing on with just keeping R.E.C.K alive and going to the end with you. Like, you've managed to be key to two votes that I had little part in, not to mention the Butterfly vote was very much your doing, I wanted to squirell for a Lion vote then. I can not imagine anyone looking at the two of us with everything explained and going "I really prefer the Rat here" I am fine with a close gap and a fight at the end, but I do not wish to lead myself to a slaughter, especially when I fear I might be maligned for Urbosaing my way to the end at the rate immunities are going. That being said, that does not mean I have to target you this round. I've learned there is likely to be a edge of extinction like twist, which would bring someone back next round by my expectations, which brings a lot of uncertainty into endgame, like imagine if Frog just walked back in at this point. I also figure that with everything we've been through, you deserve the heads up, and if you succeed I fully expect for you to come for me. Kill me if you must, just please don't hate me for it, and by all means try to talk me out of this path.
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