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Post by Eagle on May 10, 2021 1:30:42 GMT
The Eagle looks around.
"If this were really final five, I would be very happy indeed. If the Rat was lying about receiving the Safety Without Power and the Lion was lying about receiving the message... that would be incredible."
"It all seems to line up too well for that, though. If there is no Edge of Extinction, the Lion is officially the greatest bluffer in history."
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Post by Eagle on May 10, 2021 1:34:19 GMT
It hops over to its old paperwork, rifling through it and pulling out a somewhat worn sheet near the bottom of the pile."Amusing, is it not? Every suspect down, every player who was not connected to me down except the Capybara. I think over the last rounds I have exchanged my link with the Rat for a link with the Capybara, which is unfortunate especially given how much of a challenge beast the Rat is. But... one more vote. Assuming the Lion was lying."
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Post by Eagle on May 10, 2021 1:59:15 GMT
"I suspect there is no reward, but it does not hurt to make sure."
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Post by Eagle on May 10, 2021 2:12:33 GMT
The Eagle looks over its notes.
"I had an interesting exchange with the Rat which I did not mention last round. After he annoyed me, I came out and directly told him he was inactive and this was why the problems happened. But... in that conversation, I then tried to mend things a little by, well, being incredibly manipulative. It is not a message I am looking back on with pride, and it actually makes me want him to be at FTC beside me because I think he will campaign against me on the Jury purely because of it."
"I told him he was my number one ally in the premerge and the person I felt I could bounce ideas off, who I felt I could trust completely. And then when he disappeared at merge it sent me down a path of not knowing what to do, not having anyone to talk through my feelings with, losing the person I had placed that complete and utter faith in."
"Obviously, this is completely untrue. Kestrel is that person, Rat never was. But I need Rat to think I am playing entirely selfishly so that he trusts the Kestrel."
It pauses.
"He was straightforward with me afterward. He told me outright that he views me as dangerous at FTC, because I have been involved in two moves he has not, and have been much more active than him throughout. He told me that he does not want me in Final Four for these reasons. And he also told me that he is also worried about the 'Urbosa Curse' of having his work discounted due to the immunity run."
"I suggested that both could be solved if he goes to F4 with me, and then gives up immunity if he wins it. If he thinks he will be called out for hiding behind immunity, then he can show that he is not by making the biggest move one can make and giving it up, putting it all on the line to defeat the massive threat. Unless I win immunity at F4, he would not have to face me in FTC in any circumstance, and should he make FTC he will end the game with a massive move on his resume."
"He... has not really responded to this. I think it is a good pitch. I suppose we will see where his head is at."
The Eagle looks around at the other animals.
"I know the Kestrel wishes for the Capybara's elimination now, and I think that is likely what happens if a returnee comes in. But if one does not, and the Rat does not win immunity, I may well try to push for his elimination regardless. He is my biggest threat simply because I know that if I do not win FIC, I am likely going to firemaking, and he is the challenge beast."
"If he does win immunity and I cannot do this, or if there is a returnee, I think I would be in a much better spot if he wanted me at Final Four. So the pitch is important for that reason."
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Post by Eagle on May 11, 2021 15:21:27 GMT
The Eagle pulls out a dossier from under its wing. "Things have been quiet, so I have been spending some time considering possibilities. It is probably a waste of time, given only one of these will occur, but it keeps the mind busy." Name: Lion Temperment Toward Agent Fish: Hostile Perceived FTC Threat Level: High Likely to Align With: Rat
Details If Lion should return, Kestrel would likely be on board with his elimination. Everyone perceives him as a huge threat, except the Rat. He and the Rat should be on the outside, one should be eliminated, and then either the remainder is eliminated or Kestrel will try to lead a charge against Capybara. The biggest threat to Agent Fish will be the Rat attempting to oust Fish at F5 using the Cat and Capybara, using the argument of his being a huge threat to win.
Name: BunnyTemperment Toward Agent Fish: UnfavorablePerceived FTC Threat Level: MediumLikely to Align With: Anyone who will listen (Especially Rat and Kestrel)DetailsBunny is one of the most dangerous potential returnees. They are not seen as an endgame threat, and they are the kind of player who will try anything to survive. Biggest problem would be if they try to align with Cat and Capybara, and there is some possibility this would actually work. The plan would likely be to big up Bunny's FTC threat level by pointing out that they have been talking to jury constantly, attempt to take them out as early as possible.
Name: FrogTemperment Toward Agent Fish: UnknownPerceived FTC Threat Level: HighLikely to Align With: UnknownDetailsFrog's attitude on returning is not easy to ascertain. They were blindsided by allies, but they are also very single-minded about getting to the end, so perhaps they would choose to align with these allies again. Frog is a player it may be reasonable for Agent Fish to leave alive, because his perceived threat level is likely much higher than his actual performance at FTC would be, and he seems like a player who would potentially align with Fish up to F4. The plan would be to eliminate Capybara, to limit the Frog's options, then Rat, or vice versa.
Name: ButterflyTemperment Toward Agent Fish: HostilePerceived FTC Threat Level: MediumLikely to Align With: Rat, KestrelDetailsButterfly has not been present since May 6th, and therefore is unlikely to return.
Name: Snowy OwlTemperment Toward Agent Fish: Potentially Good?Perceived FTC Threat Level: LowLikely to Align With: CatDetailsOwl is always a wildcard, but potentially left on a good note with Fish given that Fish attempted to save them and they screwed themselves by going against that. We shall see. They can probably align with anyone, so the best way to deal with it will be to try to align with them as closely as possible as quickly as possible. Becoming their number one, or even number two behind Cat, would be extremely helpful. Capybara and Rat being eliminated is probably also the play here.
Name: HedgehogTemperment Toward Agent Fish: HostilePerceived FTC Threat Level: MediumLikely to Align With: RatDetailsHedgehog will likely be the most hostile potential returnee toward Fish, but also one of the least problematic. Capybara is solidly anti-Hedgehog, as is Cat. The only real danger here is an idol; the plan would likely be to take out Hedgehog immediately, then one of Rat or Capybara in the following round.
Name: Three-Toed SlothTemperment Toward Agent Fish: So-soPerceived FTC Threat Level: LowLikely to Align With: Potentially Cat?DetailsSloth is also a wildcard. He is certainly not close to Fish, but Fish did nothing to annoy him either. The biggest danger here is that he is recruited into a 'kill the threats' alliance, so the ideal plan is likely to try to make that clear to the big challenge threat, Rat, and bring him onside against Sloth as quickly as possible. Capybara being eliminated would also be a reasonable solution; anything that takes out players who have a low perceived FTC threat level.
Name: Leopard SealTemperment Toward Agent Fish: Possibly GoodPerceived FTC Threat Level: ??Likely to Align With: Capybara, CatDetailsSeal is likely to be favourable toward Fish, but is also potentially very very dangerous. There is little doubt that on his return, he will rally Aquatica together as a three, locking up three of the F4 spots. It seems likely that the only solution to this will be threatening rocks at Final Six, which blows Fish's game out of the water somewhat, as it will annoy Capybara and Cat and enable them to align with Rat at Final Six.
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Post by Eagle on May 11, 2021 23:27:32 GMT
"I trust the Kestrel to the very end. I think it would be a very bad idea for them to take me, or for me to take them... but I will do it if I have the chance, and I hope they would do the same. I want to be at the end of this game with them."
"I would not hate being forced to firemake against them, as long as if they won that, they went on to win the game. They absolutely deserve it, and I do not think people really see that. They have been at the center of absolutely everything since the very beginning, and they have managed to keep that concealed to the point where they have literally never been a realistic target. It takes something special to constantly be making the choices that decide what direction the game goes in, and yet never be labelled a threat."
"I hope people do not mistake that for them being a goat. Sometimes perception becomes reality, and if you are never labelled a threat throughout the game, people can have a hard time believing they were wrong and you worked hard to be there."
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Post by Eagle on May 12, 2021 1:20:20 GMT
The Eagle punches the air with its wing.
"YES!"
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Post by Eagle on May 12, 2021 1:34:24 GMT
"No returnee! I am in Final Four? Unless they choose to return a player at Final Four, but... that just seems wrong. That would give a challenge threat an incredibly easy ride to F3, in combination with firemaking challenge."
"If Lion's statement was a bluff, it was goddamn incredible though. Everyone was convinced."
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Post by Eagle on May 12, 2021 8:36:26 GMT
The Eagle sighs.
"I think I was celebrating too early. No Endangered animals checked the Animalia forum after my post, despite many of them being around. The only reason they would not have access to that board is if Edge of Extinction really does exist, and if it does exist, they must be returning after this round. Too much lines up for them not to be."
"I think that screws me. There is no way that whoever returns does not immediately latch on to the 'Eagle is a giant jury threat' argument to save themselves, and they will likely also be a challenge beast, given that they will need to beat all the other Endangered to return. I am just dead, unless I can miraculously pull off an immunity win, I think."
It pauses.
"It is... upsetting, to get so close. Returning a player at Final Four with a firemaking twist is just unfair, in my eyes. I know I am being whiny, so I will keep it short, but I fought hard to get here and to know that is about to be taken from me because of a returnee twist is just painful."
"But then, likely the only reason I make the end anyway is the other extremely questionable twist in firemaking, so I suppose it goes both ways. It is just demoralizing, though."
The Eagle takes a deep breath, and raises itself up.
"In any case, I must try to make the best decision I can for my game. The choice here is between Capybara and Rat."
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Post by Eagle on May 12, 2021 8:47:25 GMT
"I had a conversation with Kestrel last night about Jury perceptions. They are not taking me to Final Three should they win immunity at Final Four, because of the optics of it all."
"I think that is reasonable. They will have a hard enough time selling their game if I am there, because people will view it as them not cutting their shield at the right time; if they were to take me to the end that blatantly, they likely get considered a goat. It saddens me quite a lot, but I see the reason for it."
The Eagle pauses, a slightly hurt look in its eye. While it does understand, it is not as unaffected by the situation as it is trying to make out.
"Kestrel wishes to eliminate the Capybara here. It makes sense from their perspective. At F4, Cat and Capybara will take one another if they are present, so there are two scenarios where Kestrel gets sent to firemaking; in the RECK F4, Cat takes Kestrel, I take Kestrel, and Rat probably gives up immunity to Kestrel to take me down in firemaking. If their intention is just to get to the end, keeping Rat is the best play for their game."
"That is from their perspective, though. And if they are beginning to think just about themselves in endgame, then I need to do the same. The way I get there is by winning challenges, and that is far more difficult with the Rat present than it is without. Not to mention, I need to win the second Final Five immunity."
It seems deep in thought.
"The only other option I can see is to try to make a pact with the Rat where, if I do not vote him here, he promises to vote with me at second final five, no matter who has immunity or who comes back. My hope is that the Kestrel would also stay onside in this scenario, and that way we could boot either the returnee or the Cat."
"Do I trust the Rat's word to that degree? I do not know. He has not lied to me thus far this game, and he would be very thankful for surviving here. But to do this would be hugely reducing my chances of winning immunity in that F5, so I could just be dooming myself by taking that approach."
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Post by Eagle on May 12, 2021 8:52:40 GMT
"...the more I think about that latter option, the more appealing it looks. It gives me an out that isn't just trusting that the challenge is something I am good at."
"But if there is no returnee, it is just clearly wrong. And even if there is, what is to stop him stabbing me in the back and taking me out at final five regardless?"
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Post by Eagle on May 12, 2021 14:08:10 GMT
The Eagle puts its head in its wings.
"I pitched the Rat on the plan to vote as a three in the following vote, and suddenly Kestrel wants Rat out instead of Capybara."
"If they wanted that why didn't they say so off the bat? That was my first preference anyway! Now I have talked myself into thinking that Rat going is a bad result for me..."
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Post by Eagle on May 12, 2021 14:44:57 GMT
Of the people you've taken out, how many were you close to? Bunny wasn't, Lion wasn't, Snowy said they didn't trust you, I feel very few had the relationship we have had. Furthermore, how many of them asked for mercy or generosity, did any of them make a huge plea such as mine. "You have no idea, Pizza Rodent. The only players who did not make a huge plea were those who thought they were close enough to me that they did not need to." "...This is probably a bad thing, given they will all blame me for their demise. But it is nice to see that not everyone is aware of quite how good my connections were in this game."
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Post by Eagle on May 12, 2021 22:40:48 GMT
The Eagle flips through its notebook."The Rat gave a great many reasons for why I should keep him." "First, he believes I am not enough of a people person to win, because I do not discuss the goings on of 'the person behind the Eagle', nor do I show great interest in the lives of others beyond the mission itself. The latter is perhaps a reasonable complaint. The former, I do not accept; the Eagle is the Eagle. Is my magnificence such that people must play make-believe and say I am not real?" "Second, he believes that I have played too selfishly and people will not respect this. In reality, I have been playing with the Kestrel's best interests in mind for most of the game, so I am uncertain this applies. But even if he is correct, to stop being selfish at the final five is the best way to make the entire jury annoyed, because the selfishness that put them all there would then have been thrown away at the moment it was most important. It is a great way to show that my judgement is lacking, when my gameplay has been all about judgement." "The third argument was that to take the easy route of eliminating him now, instead of facing him at firemaking, would be cowardice. I will admit, this is more effective than most of his arguments because it plays into the magnificence of my character, but ultimately it would be foolish to do something suboptimal simply because to do the opposite could be perceived as cowardice. Especially when nobody would expect anyone to willfully put themselves in a difficult firemaking fight purely for the glory of the battle, unless that player seriously needed to prove something, and I do not think I need to prove myself." "Finally, he intends to ask me at FTC about my riskiest move, and says he considers the path I have taken to be the 'safe, unenthralling' path. When I asked whether he would describe sniping Hedgehog and sniping Bunny as safe and unenthralling, his response was as follows." The Eagle plays back its wire recording."No, I do not see them as risky actions, they were the ones I had in mind when I asked it. I see them as panicked, perhaps even paranoid ones. You did not snipe out Bunny because it was a bold decision, you sniped out bunny because you couldn't call Lions bluff or believe that Kestrel would follow you and you also had no faith in me that I would not turn on Lion or Bunny the next round had you just talked to me. Was not the catalyst of your flip on Hedgehog that your feared Hedgehog put the target on you, despite receiving a total of zero votes that round and little evidence from Frog that he was interested in a you vote? When I say risky action I mean, when did you make a move based on a guess and were proven right? The only other candidate I can potentially see is the Butterfly vote, but that certainly would imply you had no faith in Kestrel again to stand with you and I'm very uncertain that's true. You made moves stabbing at any potential threat and while you did succeed and you can justify them, I would hardly call any a risk. Did you ever make a move like Capy, entrusting your extra vote to a stranger and believing it'd work out, then have it? That is the kind of move I mean." "I do not mean to question your impact on the game, that is undeniable, but I will question whether the impactful decisions were the correct ones or ones that can be lauded, most impactful is not equivalent to best. At the very least it is food for thought." "He is of course incorrect about the Bunny vote, but I cannot correct him on that because it is important that people do not know that the Kestrel and I are as close as we are yet. Outside of this... I would say that the Hedgehog vote was a guess about the payoff, the Bunny vote was a guess about the payoff, the Butterfly vote and the Lion vote and hell, even this vote, were guesses about whether the payoff would benefit me or not. I was never guessing whether a person would do what they said they would do, except potentially in the case of the Owl, because I had the connections needed to ensure I had all the information, but the risks I took were about betting on me being able to perform certain actions and still stay in that central, information-heavy position. The fact I am still here proves that they were the correct guesses to take." "I think he will still take it upon himself to try to poison the jury against me. He seems to have talked himself, with his own arguments for his salvation, into thinking that the only 'risky moves' that matter for FTC purposes are those where you do not know the intentions of the people you are trusting, and you put your fate fully in their paws. I do not believe I will receive his jury vote, but that is on him, because I do not think this is a reasonable thing to expect someone to throw away a good position in order to do."
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Post by Eagle on May 13, 2021 0:31:46 GMT
"I almost went on a rant about how cool it would be and how much it'd mean to me to have a warriors death as a send off, but I figured I'd just be met with 'that's all well and good Rat, but I really just want to make the end' and it appears I am correct based upon that response." "It is so incredibly tempting to respond to this with 'That's all well and good Rat, but I really just want to make the end.'" "I think it is possible I do not have the best jury management."
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