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Post by Morel Mushroom on May 22, 2021 0:08:13 GMT
4-4 tie probably goes to cat
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Post by Algae on May 22, 2021 0:16:03 GMT
I agree having more options is impressive, but did Kestrel actually have them? Did Kestrel actively choose this endgame from many or was it Cat's doing all along? I thought kestrel would run away with it, but this one might be closer than I expected. How many jurors are there? 8? I think they both wanted the same thing. It would be wrong to say it was either one of their "doings" HOWEVER I do get the criticism of Kestrel's game that there were some moments where they let things happen because they were able to convince themselves that it would be good for them either way. Like I think Bunny going was bad for Kestrel and if Bunny wasn't taken out, Kestrel was likely to take them to the end, but Kestrel kind of seemed to talk themselves into why Bunny going was good for them and justify their decision to be passive in that moment when they could have put their foot down. That's just one example, but there were lots of moments like that. The flip side of that though was that Kestrel's position was so consistently good that a lot of times, it genuinely didn't matter which way things went, because they were going to be solid either way. I think their game had very little variance in that way, like you could change a lot and Kestrel would still be here. And I don't really give Cat credit for the Bunny move either. They still believe that Bunny was taken out because of fear of Lion's idol, which we know from Eagle's confessional to be false. But also I don't think this criticism is the criticism Snowy was making. I think Snowy was saying that this is "Cat's endgame" because Snowy had already decided that Cat played better than Kestrel, and so therefore Kestrel made a mistake in taking Cat. I don't think it goes deeper than that.
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Post by Algae on May 22, 2021 0:17:24 GMT
Also can we ban the words Jury management? I never know how finalists are supposed to answer questions about it. What do Juries want to hear when they ask that? Isn't it up to them to decide if they feel managed or not, is an answer at FTC going to change anything?
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Post by Axolotl on May 22, 2021 1:55:30 GMT
capybara is absolutely voting for cat. they've been together almost the whole game and i see no way he would ever break the tie in kestrel's favor anyways. my take on it is that kestrel did play the better game for sure, but i want cat to win because she's awesome.
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Post by T4 Bacteriophage on May 22, 2021 2:16:18 GMT
It's not so clear cut that kestrel losing would be some kind of highway robbery. Cat is having a really good ftc too. Honestly it would be pretty poetic for cat to win via a tie breaking vote from capy. Kestrel letting cat and capy come here together could be the only misstep that ends up mattering.
Owl is being ornery but it's entirely within their character we've seen all game. I think it's reasonable, they returned from EoE and presented this huge public game state post and everyone just shrugged and voted them out anyway, so why wouldn't their perception from that post remain the perception a finalist needs to overcome to earn their vote?
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Post by Morel Mushroom on May 22, 2021 2:32:21 GMT
I could definitely see cat getting Leo, rat frog, snowy and then getting the tie break to win. Idk maybe some other combination is more likely but I'm glad there is some uncertainty, more exciting that way.
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Post by Axolotl on May 22, 2021 3:04:40 GMT
I could definitely see cat getting Leo, rat frog, snowy and then getting the tie break to win. Idk maybe some other combination is more likely but I'm glad there is some uncertainty, more exciting that way. leo and frog are almost certainly voting for cat, and judging by snowy's performance i think she's leaning that way too. so maybe 5-3 or 4-4 in favor of cat?
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Post by Axolotl on May 22, 2021 3:05:38 GMT
It's not so clear cut that kestrel losing would be some kind of highway robbery. Cat is having a really good ftc too. Honestly it would be pretty poetic for cat to win via a tie breaking vote from capy. Kestrel letting cat and capy come here together could be the only misstep that ends up mattering. Owl is being ornery but it's entirely within their character we've seen all game. I think it's reasonable, they returned from EoE and presented this huge public game state post and everyone just shrugged and voted them out anyway, so why wouldn't their perception from that post remain the perception a finalist needs to overcome to earn their vote? to be fair i don't want any of the finalists to lose. i think that capybara played the worst game of the three, but i like him as a person and i think this could be a learning experience. at least in terms of activity it could be.
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Post by Dog on May 22, 2021 3:06:59 GMT
Go kestrel go cat ig
tbf i kinda didn't really like cap for some reason
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Post by Poison Ivy on May 22, 2021 6:44:20 GMT
Also can we ban the words Jury management? I never know how finalists are supposed to answer questions about it. What do Juries want to hear when they ask that? Isn't it up to them to decide if they feel managed or not, is an answer at FTC going to change anything? Butterfly: tell me about your general jury management philosopy
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Post by Oak Tree on May 22, 2021 6:56:05 GMT
Is it only 8 jurors? Who didn't make jury from the merge??
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Post by Black-capped Chickadee on May 22, 2021 7:01:58 GMT
i think 10 is the correct number.
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Post by Moth on May 22, 2021 7:10:30 GMT
merge at F13, so 10p jury yes
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Post by Axolotl on May 22, 2021 7:44:52 GMT
i predict a 10-0-0 sweep in capy's favour!
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Post by Dog on May 22, 2021 8:12:16 GMT
The funniest thing was that I was expecting to get to cast a 0.5 vote because i brought the item, not to get 0.5 votes i mean like i didn't consider myself a possible candidate for F3
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